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03/23/2021 01:30 PM House FINANCE
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| Presentation: Alaska Marine Highway System by Department of Transportation and Public Facilities | |
| Overview: Covid Funding Fy 21 and Fy 22 Budget Overview and Update by Department of Transportation | |
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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE
March 23, 2021
1:35 p.m.
1:35:21 PM
CALL TO ORDER
Co-Chair Merrick called the House Finance Committee meeting
to order at 1:35 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair
Representative Kelly Merrick, Co-Chair
Representative Dan Ortiz, Vice-Chair
Representative Ben Carpenter
Representative Bryce Edgmon
Representative DeLena Johnson
Representative Andy Josephson
Representative Bart LeBon
Representative Sara Rasmussen
Representative Steve Thompson
Representative Adam Wool
MEMBERS ABSENT
None
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE
Rob Carpenter, Deputy Commissioner, Department of
Transportation and Public Facilities; Matt McLaren, Alaska
Marine Highway System Business Development Manager,
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities; Dom
Pannone, Administrative Services Director, Department of
Transportation and Public Facilities, Office of Management
and Budget, Office of the Governor.
SUMMARY
PRESENTATION: ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM BY DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES
OVERVIEW: COVID FUNDING FY 21 and FY 22 BUDGET OVERVIEW and
UPDATE BY DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Co-Chair Foster reviewed the meeting agenda.
^PRESENTATION: ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM BY DEPARTMENT
OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES
1:36:17 PM
ROB CARPENTER, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES (via teleconference),
continued a PowerPoint presentation from the previous
afternoon, "Alaska Department of Transportation and Public
Facilities: House Finance Committee Alaska Marine Highway
System." He noted the committee was on slide 5. He added
that Ketchikan had just had a power outage and would join
the meeting when possible.
1:37:32 PM
Mr. Carpenter advanced to slide 6, "Historical Traffic and
Operating Weeks." The slide showed vehicle and passenger
ridership from 1989 to 2020. He noted that the red line
reflected the operating weeks shown in previous slides. He
felt that vehicles ridership had been steady but there had
been a continuous decline in passenger count. He asked his
colleague to provide additional detail.
MATT MCLAREN, ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY SYSTEM BUSINESS
DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND
PUBLIC FACILITIES (via teleconference), spoke to slide 6.
He reiterated that vehicle traffic had been consistent and
passenger traffic had declined since 2005. He thought that
the decline was due to easier access to air travel and
people wanting to travel without vehicles.
1:39:41 PM
Representative Thompson wondered what kind of seasonal
change there was in terms of passenger ridership. He asked
whether travel was heavier in the summer.
Mr. McLaren replied that there was much heavier traffic in
the summer, May through September, at 60 to 70 percent of
the total.
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked whether there was a connection
between the lack of a known supply of ferries and declining
ridership. He asked whether there had been a growing
deterioration of confidence from the rider standpoint due
to scheduling issues.
Mr. McLaren replied that the department received numerous
calls early on from travel operators and tourists who
wanted to book far in advance. He said that the department
was looking into the last 5 to 10 years to identify a
correlation between when schedules are released and when
the budget is allocated. He offered to provide the
information later.
1:42:25 PM
Representative Wool observed a steady decline in passenger
traffic beginning in 1998 and continuing until 2006. He
noted that operating weeks had increased beginning in 2002.
He wondered about the divergence.
Mr. McLaren responded that in 2005-2007, operating weeks
increased by approximately 40 percent, while ridership
increased by 18 percent. He said that adding more service
had not seemed to increase ridership. He relayed that the
department was now trying to operate more efficiently to
maximize revenues.
Representative Wool discussed the decline in operating
weeks in the past few years. He assumed the red line
reflecting operating weeks would increase a bit. He asked
how much of the decline had been due to equipment
malfunction. He asked about the target operating weeks
going forward.
1:45:59 PM
Mr. McLaren replied that he would follow up with the
information about equipment malfunction. He shared that
286.7 operating weeks were in the in FY 21 authorized
budget. He said that due to decreased revenue those
operating weeks had been reduced to 204.5. He said that
there were 241.9 operating weeks in the governor's proposed
budget.
Representative Wool asked about long-term goals. He pointed
to the serious decline over the past 10 years. He asked
about the goal for a stable, predictable operating
schedule.
Mr. McLaren replied that the question would be address in a
later slide.
1:48:05 PM
Co-Chair Foster recognized that Representative Carpenter
had joined the meeting.
Mr. McLaren turned to slide 7, "AMHS System-Wide Capacity
Utilization 2011 - 2019." He pointed out that the yellow
bar represented vehicle utilization, which had been at 60
percent to 65 percent, dropping in 2018 and 2019. He noted
that passenger utilization had also declined in the past
few years. He relayed that the slide compared demand to
routes run in particular years and how passenger numbers
for those years.
1:49:18 PM
Mr. Carpenter addressed a bar chart on slide 8, "FY 2015 -
2022 Gov. Proposed AMHS Operating Budget Fund Source
Comparison." The blue portion of the bars reflected state
funds, revenues were shown in gray, Coronavirus Aid,
Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act funds were shown
in green, and other funds were shown in purple. He noted
that the slide showed the impacts to the system due to
Covid-19 of roughly $45 million dollars. He related that
the governor's proposed budget was $55 million in state
funds and $852.7 million in other funds and an anticipated
$47 million in revenue.
1:51:12 PM
Mr. Carpenter continued to the spreadsheet on slide 9,
"FY2022 Scenario A - Sample Operation Plan." He shared that
legislative finance committees had requested and alternate
scenario of additional funding to the system over what was
included in the governors budget, which was reflected on
the slide. The slide showed the FY 20 and FY 21 authorized
budgets with expected weeks of service and ports of call.
The fourth column to the right showed the governors FY 22
proposed budget. He pointed to the far-right column,
scenario A and said that additional funding. He explained
that the additional dollars would go towards an increase in
winter service, with less service gaps, and would allow for
year-round crew retention.
Representative LeBon spoke to the FY 22 proposed budget
that did not show any CARES Act funding. He asked whether
it meant that no covid-19 relief funding was expected.
Mr. Carpenter replied that the release of the FY 22 budget
had been prior to the Coronavirus Response & Relief
Supplemental Appropriations Act (CRRSAA).
Representative Wool asked for the source of the Motor Fuel
Tax in the columns on slide 9.
Mr. Carpenter answered that the source of funding was the
standard Motor Fuel Tax, a marine component and highway
component. He said that the allocation ad not gone up or
down with the volatility of the Motor Fuel Tax.
1:56:28 PM
Representative Wool asked whether it was dependent on the
amount of motor fuel tax the state took in. he wondered if
the tax were increased whether the allocation would
increase as well. He asked whether the port calls line on
the chart reflected the total cumulative stops at ports,
form all ships, per year.
Mr. Carpenter replied that when the department had incurred
a shortfall of Motor Fuel Tax it had looked agencywide for
areas where funding could be restricted or cut. He said
that if a motor fuel tax increase passed the legislature
and was signed into law it would provide an increase in the
revenue source that could be appropriated to the agency. He
shared that the port calls line showed the total number of
visits a ship made to a community in one year.
Representative Wool surmised it was all ships combined.
Mr. Carpenter responded affirmatively.
Representative Josephson looked at slide 8. He noted there
had been three substantial federal acts in the past year.
He asked whether there had been anything in those acts that
could supplement the $3.5 million.
Mr. Carpenter replied that the CRRSAA money had included
over $100 million form the Federal highway Administration
that was primarily eligible for Title 23 capital projects
but had an authority provision for operating purposes. He
said that additionally there had been $55 million from the
Federal Transit Administration that was for transit
organizations, 13 in the state which were eligible
including the AMHS.
Representative Josephson asked how the administration had
recommended spending the $100 million CRRSAA money and the
$55 million transit dollars.
Mr. Carpenter replied that they had not yet put forward a
proposal. The department had been working with the Office
of Management and Budget to solidify the details. He stated
that there was a lot of demand across multiple grantees.
2:01:32 PM
Representative Josephson said that last federal act had
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passed December 27, he wondered whether the governors
amended budget bills had included any direction about how
to spend the funds.
Mr. Carpenter reiterated that they did not have a
recommendation yet and they had been working with OMB and
the proposal was not yet out.
Mr. McLaren turned to slide 10, "FY2015 - FY2022 Governor's
Proposed Budget AMHS Cash Sources and Uses." He relayed
that there were three vessels to focus on including the
Kennicott, the Columbia, and the Matanuska. He said that
the Kennicott was covering most of the entire system, which
was the same schedule anticipated for the next year.
2:05:03 PM
Vice-Chair Ortiz looked at slide 10 and observed that the
Aurora was part of the plan moving forward. He asked about
the status of the vessel.
Mr. McLaren replied that the vessel was finishing up
overhaul and was scheduled to begin on April 15.
Vice-Chair Ortiz observed that the service for the vessel
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was scheduled to begin March 10 and noted that it was
already behind schedule.
Mr. McLaren clarified that the projection was for FY 22,
not the current fiscal year.
Mr. McLaren addressed slide 11, which showed the AMHS fund
balance from FY 14 - FY 22 for the governor's proposed
budget. He said that the Kennicott would not cover Prince
William Sound or the Homer/Kodiak area during the projected
timeframe, which allowed for more service in Southeast. He
shared that in the previous year services had been reduced
ion Southeast due to revenue shortfalls. He furthered that
the Aurora would be able to continue providing service to
Prince William Sound during the period. He pointed out that
the Tustemena would have the ability to continue operating
and would provide service in the Homer/Kodiak area. He
stated that the projections decreased some of the service
gaps and increased service frequency to all areas of the
state.
2:08:15 PM
Representative Wool asked whether the Aurora serviced
Prince William Sound, Whittier, Cordova, and Valdez. He
asked whether the schedule would be consistent through the
winter months.
Mr. McLaren replied in the affirmative. He explained that
Prince William Sound would not have to wait for every other
week for the Kennicott to provide service.
2:09:17 PM
Mr. Carpenter discussed slide 12, "FY2015 - FY2022
Governor's Proposed Budget - AMHS Service." The slide
showed a historical spreadsheet showing cash flow sources
and uses. He said that the top portion was state funded
revenue with the funding usage below. He noted that they
were projected to end FY 21 with a $6.6 million deficit. He
shared that FY 21 operating plan had been reduced. He
asserted that they were looking for a best path forward,
working with the legislature and OMB.
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked about the drop off in UGF
appropriations. He considered FY 14 and wondered whether
the UGF figure went higher than the $107 million.
Mr. Carpenter responded by referencing slide 3. The dark
blue represented state funding, mostly UGF, which peaked in
the FY 14/FY 15 time period.
Vice-Chair Ortiz asked whether it was safe to say that
while DOT had been cut, the AMHS had been cut by at least
60 percent.
Mr. Carpenter responded that 60 percent decline in funding
was correct.
2:12:47 PM
Mr. Carpenter moved to slide 13, showing the governor's
proposed budget and AMHS fund balance. He stated that the
total fund balance in FY 20 was $8.5 million and was
projected in be zero for FY 21. He shared that typically
there was a fund balance to manage cash flow which as now
nonexistent. He shared that they strived for around 10
percent of the budget, which meant that the system would
need $10 million.
Representative Josephson was trying to determine the
correlation between ships on the water and cost recovery.
He considered the value to coastal Alaska. He looked at
slide 3 showing a huge decline in revenue. He wondered
whether the recovery rate was linked to ridership.
Mr. Carpenter answered that revenues had remained fairly
flat but the UGF budget had increased so that the ratio to
of revenue to total budget dropped significantly. He noted
that in 2021 revenues plummeted. He shared that they were
trying to reach 50 percent revenue, 50 percent state
funding. He relayed the challenge of understanding whether
providing more service increased ridership and what was
needed to provide basic service to all communities
regardless of low populations. He shared that the
department felt the level in the $100 million range was a
spot where the department could meet demand and provide
support to all ports reliably. He said that the more ships
running meant higher costs; therefore, the idea was fewer
ships and improved utilization.
2:18:12 PM
Representative Josephson asked whether the higher UGF years
on slide 3 reflected all costs to the system, including
fast ferries.
Mr. Carpenter replied that it was partially correct. He
pointed to the note on the slide that added the fast
ferries in 2004 and 2007 when more services had been
provided because funding had been higher. He said that
ridership at that time had not necessarily increased but
had been spread out.
2:19:46 PM
Mr. Carpenter turned to slide 14, which provided a recap
and projections of the weeks of service FY 15 through FY
22. He noted that Metlakatla had been removed from the
data. He stated that in FY 22 weeks of service would drop
from 241 to 192. Ports of call would drop from 4,175 to
3,675.
Representative Wool asked whether Metlakatla was a ship or
a place.
Mr. Carpenter clarified that it was a location near
Ketchikan.
Representative Wool confessed he was not familiar with all
routes. He understood that the difference in weeks of
service, less Metlakatla, was considerable.
Mr. Carpenter replied that the other graphs did include the
Metlakatla run. He explained that it was a bit different
than the rest of the routes in the system. He agreed that
historical graphs included Metlakatla.
Vice-Chair Ortiz clarified that the Metlakatla run did well
in terms of fare-box recovery.
Mr. Carpenter agreed.
Mr. McLaren agreed that it was one of the few runs that
paid for itself throughout the year.
^OVERVIEW: COVID FUNDING FY 21 and FY 22 BUDGET OVERVIEW
and UPDATE BY DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
2:23:36 PM
DOM PANNONE, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR, DEPARTMENT
OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, OFFICE OF
MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR (via
teleconference), provided a PowerPoint presentation,
"Alaska Department of Transportation & Public Facilities
House Finance Committee: Coronavirus Aid, Relief & Economic
Security Act (CARES) and Coronavirus Response & Relief
Supplemental Appropriations Act (CRRSAA)," dated March 23,
2021 (copy on file). He began on slide 2:
Two Types of Funding and Amounts Received
Total: $337,499.5
CARES - $112,927.1 Enacted March 27, 2020
Federal Transit Administration - $28,801.4
Federal Aviation Administration - $82,501.1
Health and Social Services (The CRF) - $1,624.3
CRRSAA - $224,572.4 Enacted December 27, 2020
Federal Transit Administration - $55,786.5
Federal Aviation Administration - $44,383.9
Federal Highway Administration - $124,402.0
Note: American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 funding is not
included.
Mr. Pannone relayed that each fund had its own
requirements, uses, and guidance.
2:25:11 PM
Mr. Pannone turned to slide 3, How well walk you through
it:
• Authorized
• Available
• Eligibility
• Timeframe
Mr. Pannone said he would discuss each bullet point in
reference to each fund.
2:26:01 PM
Mr. Pannone turned to a spreadsheet on slide 4,
"Authorized." He said that the slide illustrated the fiscal
year in the vertical and the fund type in the horizontal.
He said that all fund shad been received initially through
and RPL request. He said that the slide showed the funds
that had been received and who had received them by year
and fund type.
He continued to slide 5, Proposed. He addressed the FY 22
proposed budget in which the department was proposing to
use $17 million of FAA Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and
Economic Security (CARES) Act funds and $2.7 million in
CRRSAA funds.
2:27:34 PM
Mr. Pannone discussed the FY 22 proposals on slide 6:
Dalton District Shift Change Two Week On/Two Week Off
(1,298.6 Fed FHWA CRRSAA)
Reopening of Silvertip Maintenance Station
(620.0 Fed FHWA CRRSAA)
Reopening of Chitina and Birch Lake Maintenance
Stations
(794.6 Fed FHWA CRRSAA)
Projected aviation fuel shortfall
(276.4 FAA CARES/-276.4 DGF)
Replace rural aviation UGF with FAA CARES Act funding
for a one-time swap
(-14,6000.8 UGF/14,600.8 Fed FAA CARES)
Rural Airport Paint Striping
(2,302.3 Fed FAA CARES)
2:31:00 PM
Mr. Pannone advanced to slide 7, Available Legislative
Authority Required, which showed projects requiring
legislative authority. He relayed that the current plan for
the $11 million Alaska Rural Airport System was to continue
to supplant the UGF in the rural airport system into 2023.
He said that the $26.8 million could be mixed and matched
with the FAA CARES funds in FY 22 to preserve CARES funds.
He spoke to the $11.2 million, which was pass through
funding that went to the Anchorage Metropolitan Area
Transportation System (AMATS).
2:33:17 PM
Representative Johnson had a question about upcoming
federal funding and would defer to colleagues with
questions related to the current slide.
Representative Wool asked whether the FAA money for the
Anchorage area and wondered if the funding for Merrill
Field was included in the $11.294 million.
Mr. Pannone answered that the $11.294 in FAA CRRSAA funds
was for the metropolitan planning organization in
Anchorage. He said the FAA CARES funds involved a formula
develop by the federal government and had a portion
dedicated to Merrill field. He said that debt service
payments factored into the formula.
Representative Josephson looked at slide 2 and expressed
the understanding that the state could receive up to $700
million.
Mr. Pannone answered that it was difficult to hear the
question.
Representative Josephson said that slide 2 showed $225
million and the geo bond proposed was $350 million, which
was $575 million. He believed that the entire package
totaled $700 million.
2:37:31 PM
Mr. Pannone answered that a proposal had not been put
forward for a significant portion of CRRSAA funds at this
time.
Representative Johnson referenced the ARPA funds, the first
tranche of which was expected to be appropriated in May.
She thought those funds would be applicable in the FY 22
budget. She asked wondered whether there was any
information about the funding.
Mr. Pannone discussed slide 8, CARES Eligible Activities
and Requirements.:
Federal Transit Administration
1.Operating expenses for all FTA 5311 recipients (non-
urbanized areas). Costs necessary to operate,
maintain, and manage a public transportation system.
2.Prevent, prepare for, and respond to COVID-19
3.Administrative leave, such as for employees due to
reductions in service.
Federal Aviation Administration
1.Any purpose for which airport revenues may be
lawfully used.
2.CARES grant recipients should follow the FAA's
Policy and Procedures Concerning the Use of Airport
Revenues ("Revenue Use Policy"), 64 Federal Register
7696 (64 FR 7696), as amended by 78 Federal Register
55330 (78 FR 55330). The Revenue Use Policy defines
permitted uses of airport revenue.
3.May not be used for any purpose not related to the
airport.
CRF Section 5001 (d)
1.Necessary expenditures incurred due to the public
health emergency with respect to the Coronavirus
Disease 2019 (COVID19).
2.Not accounted for in the budget most recently
approved as of March 27, 2020 (the date of enactment
of the CARES Act) for the State or government.
2:41:20 PM
Mr. Pannone spoke to slide 9, "CRRSAA Eligible Activities
and Requirements.":
Federal Transit Administration 01/14/2021 Guidance
Received updated 03/10/2021
1.Operating expenses for all FTA 5311 recipients (non-
urbanized areas). Costs necessary to operate,
maintain, and manage a public transportation system.
2.Prevent, prepare for, and respond to COVID-19
3.Priority-operating expenses
4.Administrative leave, such as for employees due to
reductions in service.
Federal Aviation Administration Guidance Received
02/12/2021
1.Costs related to operations, personnel, cleaning,
sanitization, janitorial services, combating the
spread of pathogens at the airport and for debt
service payments.
2.Specifically for operating expenditures (airport
specific); no capital expenditures.
Federal Highway Administration Guidance Received
02/24/2021
1.Activities eligible under 23 USC 133(b) e.g.,
capital, highway infrastructure, ferry vessel capital
projects
2.May be transferred to public tolling agencies or a
ferry system to provides a public transportation
benefit
3.Preventative maintenance, routine maintenance
4.Operations, personnel
5.Debt service, availability payments
6.Advance Construction
2:43:54 PM
Representative Wool asked about the maintenance stations
and appreciated they would reopen with the federal funds.
He asked whether it would be necessary to determine how to
fund the stations after the federal funds were gone.
Mr. Pannone answered in the affirmative. He said that they
were one-time items that would need to be addressed in the
future.
2:44:55 PM
Mr. Pannone turned to slide 10, showing when the CARES and
CRRSAA funds had come to the state and when they had to be
expended:
CARES: How long are the funds available?
FTA Expenses on or after January 20, 2020; Available
until expended
FAA Expenses on or after January 20, 2020; Available
until April 29, 2024(FY2024)
CRF Expenses on or after March 1, 2020; Available
until December 31, 2021(FY2021)
CRRSAA: How long are the funds available?
FTA Expenses on or after January 20, 2020; Available
until expended
FAA Expenses on or after January 20, 2020. Budget
period is four years from execution of grant (FY2024)
(Need authority by June 30, 2021)
FHWA Expenses on or after January 27, 2020;
Available for obligation until September 30, 2024
FHWA Obligated balances are available for expenses
until September 30, 2029(FY2030)
2:47:25 PM
Representative LeBon looked at slide 7, pertaining to
airports. He asked whether Alaska International Airport
System included Fairbanks International Airport and Ted
Stevens International Airport.
Mr. Pannone replied in the affirmative.
Representative LeBon asked how the money was divided
between the two airports.
Mr. Pannone answered that both airports used funds from the
International Airport Revenue fund (IRF). He said that it
was likely the money would go into the account to be used
for debt service payments at Anchorage International
Airport or other operating expenses out of the IRF.
Representative LeBon asked how much control the state had
over the spending of the funds.
2:49:15 PM
Mr. Pannone moved from left to right on slide 7. He
explained that the $11,059.8 million in FAA CARES funds
could be used at any rural airport, to replace UGF or for
capital projects. He shared that the $17,560.9 million in
CRRSAA funds was locked into the Alaska International
Airport System and had to be used for operating expenses.
The $26,823.0 had to be used for the Alaska Rural Airport
System and had to be spent on operating expenses. He shared
that there was flexibility in the last two columns. He said
that the $108.264.3 could be used for capital projects,
routine maintenance, or could be transferred to a tolling
road or ferry system. He stressed that the $11,294.3
million had to be used by AMATS. He furthered that the FTA
monies could be distributed to any of the 13, 5311 eligible
transportation agencies one of which was the AMHS.
2:52:00 PM
Representative Josephson asked that except for lost tax
revenue at airports, it was hard to measure the influence
of Covid-19 on highway. He assumed that DOT could be more
flexible in terms of how the money was spent.
Mr. Pannone agreed. The funds DOT received were not
necessarily tied to Covid-19 impacts but were tied to
secondary impacts of the pandemic. For example, there had
been a motor fuel tax shortfall of $3.5 million in 2020 and
$3.3 million in 2021, which had been offset by CARES funds.
2:53:57 PM
Mr. Pannone pointed out on Slide 9 the dates when guidance
had been received from the federal government. He
highlighted the complexity of the guidance. He said that
there was not a significant amount of money coming to the
department from the FTA funds.
Representative Wool referenced one of the ferries that
needed cleaning at the cost of $1 million and commented
that some of the funds under discussion could be used for
that cleaning.
Co-Chair Foster discussed housekeeping.
ADJOURNMENT
2:57:26 PM
The meeting was adjourned at 2:57 p.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| DOT - HFIN CRRSAA CARES - 03.23.2021.pdf |
HFIN 3/23/2021 1:30:00 PM |
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| HFC - AMHS Overview 03.22.2021 FINAL2.pdf |
HFIN 3/23/2021 1:30:00 PM |
|
| 03.25.2021 DOT Response AMHS (Log 42) to HFIN.pdf |
HFIN 3/23/2021 1:30:00 PM |